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So the rookies are off, not to be seen in these parts again until May 17.
I have just one question after seeing all these guys. Is anyone out there concerned about the physical problems first-rounder Jason Pierre-Paul showed during drills? Not only did he get tired, but he had some back twinges that made it difficult for him to get into his stance. Though he said it always happens around this time of year, I'm wondering if this could lead to some long-term problems during a lengthy season.
Concerns?
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This guy was a total reach and it looks like he's not in shape and not taking it as a full year job.
ReplyDeletenot worried about it at all. this is a guy ho is in shape, yes, but the wrong sort of shape; hes gym fit, but not football fit. one of the downsides of the combine.also, lets not forget that hes not played that much football, so his body isn't used to it as much as other guys. give it a while to let his body get up to speed and he'll be right as rain.
ReplyDeleteMy concern is apparently the Giants had no idea. If they knew, they would have brought him along more gradually and set him up with a trainer. To me, missing a conditioning problem and a potential back problem means someone in the scouting department needs to get kicked to the street. That's why these guys are on the payroll, so there are no surprises. Big red flag goes up for the Giants medical team, as well. Yes, back spasms leave no traces that can be examined by a doctor, but it's safe bet if a guys hamstrings, hips, and/or lower back are as tight as a drum, spasms will show up eventually under duress. Tie this in with all the hamstring problems the Giants have had with other guys and the medical staff looks like amateurs. Sloppy, sloppy work by the Giants staff. Drafting a player isn't only about filling a need on the team, it's also about value. The early signs are this guy should have a third rounder based on lack of experience and medical issues. We'll know in a year or two if he really should have been a UDFA. If this guy turns into a bust, a lot of people will be collecting unemployment and deservedly so.
ReplyDeletei was so upset they passed on Derrick Morgan for this guy. The Titans, who apparently loved this guy for some reason also, should be sending Reece a thank you note
ReplyDeleteTalk about over analyzing. He had three practices and he's apparently already a bust, injury-prone and Derrick Morgan was the better pick. Wow. Thanks for giving the guy a chance.
ReplyDeleteOh and apparently dweez is an NFL scout now, who believes this guy should have been a third rounder, if not an UDFA. Give me a break. Can we wait to see him in action before we label him a bust.
Is Linval Joseph a Pro-Bowler now because he had two good days of practice? Come on. Stop over analyzing every little thing that goes on and just wait to see how it unfolds.
Wow, Dan, thanks for completely twisting my words around. I appreciate that. Did NOT say he was a bust. Said the performance raises red flags. Sorry to break your heart, but it does. Look at the Giants injury situation over the last four-five years. Yes, it is a violent sport and every team has injuries to deal with. But how many of the Giants have missed games for hamstrings, muscle pulls, back problems, etc.? It just doesn't happen to other teams as often as it does to the Giants. If a guy gets his knee blown out or a concussion, well, that's football. Missing half a season because your hamstring went out for the third time? That's an issue. A 20-21 year old having back spasms and admits it's happened in the past? Yeah, that's an issue. To say otherwise shows complete ignorance of the sport. You cannot be an effective football player while having back spasms. Ignoring the pain they cause, which is hard because they DO hurt a lot, they limit your mobility and ability to turn. Are those desirable qualities in a DE, Danny? The whole point of having a scouting department and medical "experts" on your staff is to ensure that you don't pay tens of millions of dollars to a guy that has issues that will potentially limit the number of times he can be on the field. Those guys you draft later, NOT in the first round. The money is far too great in the first round to overlook a recurring medical problem like back spasms. It's sloppy work. Can the kid be effective and have a great career? Sure. Anything is possible at this point. But if misses an entire playoff run because of back spasms, the question as to how the Giants scouting and medical departments overlooked it prior to the draft will become a very important one. Also, using Osi as trade bait just went away. We will need to Osi to come in and play while JPP is being stretched out by the trainers on the sidelines. Back spasms don't go away, Dan. I have spent hours in physical therapy, yoga classes, therapeutic massage, and back specialists offices. I can reduce them, but I can't make them go away. JPP won't be able to either. If the Giants knew that coming in and drafted him anyway, well, that's one thing. But all the reports seem to indicate that they had no knowledge that he any issues. That's an awful lot of money to spend without doing due diligence. Screwing up in the first round can kill your team. Look at the worst teams in the League. The one thing they have in common is how badly they screw up in the first round. Yes, they make other mistakes as well, but in a League that had a salary cap and will have one again, those first round contracts can kill your team.
ReplyDeleteNot to call Spacey out, but I can't help but feel that it's thinking like that which gave the Jets Vernon Gholston.
ReplyDeleteI don't like that we spent 2 high picks on guys known more for off the field athletics than on the field experience. I could care less how many back flips / bench press reps a guy can do. Show me production in college that can be built on.
Dweez, it may not have been a direct quote, but saying he should have been undrafted or selected in the third round, you are indirectly saying you think he is or will be a bust.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm sorry you have back spasms, but you know what, my uncle had plantar fascitis, and he said it was extremely painful and he couldn't walk on his foot for almost a year, therefore he assumed Eli's season was done.
What happened? Eli went on to have one of the best seasons of his career. So, let's not make assumptions based on your personal experience, which honestly, means nothing to how these guys react.
I'm curious, who would you have drafted in the Giants spot? I'm sure we could find something wrong with them as well, so let's wait until they play on the field. What's the big hurry on labeling this pick a disaster based off a two days, one in which his back started to spasm?
Relax.
Ernie - I am not concerned about JPP right now...unless an MRI is done and disc damage or something is wrong.
ReplyDeleteIf he is just having normal 'welcome to the nfl' cramps and stuff, then thats what Coach Coughling meant by toughing it out and seeing it to the end.
The back spasms don't bother me--yet--but I'm not pooh-poohing it either. Over at UltimateNYG, the cranks are out in full force, conjuring up images of Jeff Hatch and readying their effigy of Jerry Reese.
ReplyDeleteI'm already "on record" as not liking the pick, so I won't go on about it. But neither am I going to root for the kid to fail because he's our player now.
I think the most interesting thing that came out of the mini camp was the gauntlet TC threw down in front of the third-round pick, Chad Jones. Coughlin flat out told him he was overweight and out of shape. It was like he was saying "no more baseball crap--you're in the Army full time now son."
Here's an article in the on-line version of the Star Ledger that you may find interesting and uplifting. It's on Linval Joseph. If the link doesn't work, just go to www.nj.com and the article is on the home page.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/05/giants_rookie_defensive_ta
I mean seriously, guys, let's put this into perspective. The guy's football season ended a while ago already. His main objective since his season ended was preparing for the NFL Combine which is not exactly training for football shape.
ReplyDeleteLet's hold off judgment for when he returns back later this month. After getting a taste of what will be asked from him on a day to day basis, I fully expect him to pick up his training from now until then, so that he comes back in much better shape.
Dan - I had plantar and it's comparing apples to oranges. With plantar, it really does hurt. Eli is a man to play with it. But you know you have it and you can take steps to make it bearable during sports. I wrestled an entire season with plantar. Way back when, you taped it over and over and you took painkillers. I'm sure Eli got much better medical treatment for it than I did. It really didn't hamper my mobility unless I had to run flat out. Back spasms come out of nowhere and immobilize you. Have someone strong wrap their arms tight around your lower back and try to turn. Now imagine that with searing pain. Chronic back problems, including recurring spasms, basically ruined Shawn Andrews career as an O-lineman with Philly. My primary concern is JPP is admitting he has had them before. That means it's chronic, just like Aaron Ross' hamstring problems. We all know how much those hamstrings have hurt the Giants. I can't help but believe that either the scouting department or the doctors or both are missing chronic aliments. That's no big deal if you draft the guy in the seventh round. Let's face it, the Giants already got their money's worth from Ahmad Bradshaw because he was drafted so late and paid so little. So, if his feet prevent him from ever playing again, the Giants still broke even. Making the mistake of a player having chronic health problems in the first round isn't so easy to recover from. Lots more money at stake. I'm not expecting the Giants staff to be perfect. All teams make mistakes in the draft. I am worried that NY seems to make more than most when it comes to players health.
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