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Only 17 days until players report to the University of Albany for training camp. Ramses Barden, the second-year wide receiver who was inactive his entire rookie year, will be among them. Tell me what to do with him?
According to the coaches, one of the major problems aside from his small-school background was his inability to grasp special teams. What I want to know is, even if he doesn't turn into a special teams wiz, might it be worth forcing the 6-foot-6, 227-pound Barden on there just to have him available for situational play at wide receiver? Remember, he's not been seen fielding punts or kickoffs, so we're talking about a tackling and or blocking position there. Or should the Giants take a chance with him handling the kicks? And who's spot on the gameday roster should he take?
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Ernie:
ReplyDeleteConsidering the trouble the Giants always have in the red zone, it would be worth it to have Barden for the fade route in the end zone alone. If he can just get off the line and keep his feet in bounds, he would be great for that.
If this guy can't play special teams this year he needs to be OFF THE TEAM, not just the gameday roster. It is all hands on deck and the Giants can't afford to be as complacent with the return or coverage teams as they were last year.
ReplyDeleteCould it be? Am I going to agree with Wayno? To a degree, yes. If the Gmen cannot find a place for this guy on the team, then they would have to chalk it up to a failed experiment. But, I think that in year 2, we might be a little rash to do just that. Let me figure things out in camp and hopefully they will not have to rely on him for kick and punt coverage. I do not foresee a 6'6" 227 lb dude as the best tackler, but maybe he can block. I am very interested in seeing him during the preseason and hope that he can develop into a weapon.
ReplyDeleteI know more about Giants football than 95% of the people on this blog so if u are only now agreeing with me maybe it is time u checked urself.
ReplyDeleteSettle down....this blog happens to be my favorite and I'd rather not see its author hindered at most posting b/c we can't virtually get along.
ReplyDeleteLeave the gunner position to Hagan as he is solid there. Hixon on the IR means there should be more room at WR for Barden (unless we continue the Sinorice Moss experiment).
We traded up in the 3rd to get Barden, so I say we HAVE TO give him a shot. Forget STs, start him out in red zone opportunities with a few jump balls and fades in the endzone and see what happens.
Hagan was the gunner on some of the worst Giants special teams performances I ever saw.....NEXT!
ReplyDeletespecial teams coverage was addressed by the drafting of Tracy. Hagan is one gunner, not sure who the other gunner is. Bradshaw or Ware will return kicks and Ross or Manningham punts.
ReplyDeleteWayno is wacko, get rid of Barden? without ever seeing him on the field how can you say this? get rid of beckum as well then, and brown, they've never seen the field either.
The giants are thin at receiver, they're one injury away from starting 2nd and 3rd year players. Barden is as good as any of these 3rd stringers
this is the same Wayno who defends Jerry Reese to the death..and now you want to talk about cutting a player who we traded up to get in the 3rd round. One part of the football organization is about personnel and NOT x's and o's. To cut Barden would mean that they found no value in a 3rd round pick; this would be on Reese's count.
ReplyDeleteGood thing coach anonymous knows so much about the recievers.
ReplyDeleteHe gets Hixon's spot, moves ahead of Hagan on the depth chart and becomes the primary backup for Nicks. I think we forget there isn't a true backup for Nicks now. That's the spot Barden needs to claim.
ReplyDeleteAs a 3rd WR I think Manningham really plays the role of Nicks' backup, with Barden/Hagan slipping into the number 3 role if need be.
ReplyDeleteHagan is a solid gunner. Certainly outperformed the rest of the WR gunners. Barden was way too slow and missed opportunities on STs.
ReplyDeletegggg-men, that is why I "kind of" agreed with Wayno. He is terrible on ST and Barden will need to find a role on this team. If he cannot out-perform and grab that #4 spot behind Smith, Nicks, and Manningham, he will be in trouble. I heard that Smith spent a lot of time this offseason working with Barden on route running and the like, so I hope that pays dividends come training camp. Hey, I think it is a good thing that we have Barden to compete for a spot right now. Just as long as I do not see a guy named Sinorice on the roster come September.
ReplyDeleteGiants have waived Domenik Hixon!
ReplyDeleteWayno is dumb and ugly
ReplyDeleteHixon's departure has made a huge opening for Barden, can he find his way through it? I think yes and I think we will see a lot of him on the field this year.
ReplyDeleteThe only caveat is that Gilbride does not come up with any inventive ways to use players; I hope he can come up with a few plays for Barden and Beckum. You know if it were Andy Reid or Sean Peyton we would have seen something from these guys already.
Beckum is another issue entirely....drafted him as an H-back, on the roster as a TE, but used as a slot receiver....I think he can develop into a solid weapon if given some opportunities.
ReplyDeleteWhy not try him as a punt or ko returner. + I agree, with his height, he can handle a fade in the endzone ala Plax.
ReplyDeleteHow about a little imagination Gilbride? !
Wayno is a moron. They would never, ever cut a 2nd year player that they drafted in the 3rd round because he doesn't play ST. And you say you know more on here than most. Guess that isn't saying much. Show me one team that has ever done that and then we'll talk.
ReplyDeleteYeah, we probably should've cut bait with Mario b/c his Rookie year was less than stellar. Then, let's cut JPP if he doesn't make it on the field behind Tuck, Osi and Kiwi. Dipshit. If anything, Barden was a luxury pick just like JPP so when Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks cost a fortune, we have their backup already being groomed. Morons like Wayno should be exempt from Free Speech
ReplyDeleteI would much rather have a young speedster that can contribute on ST than a lumbering wr who can't grasp the offense no matter where he was drafted. Hagan, Moss and Barden are all terrible players and the next Domenick Hixon sounds better than any of these wastes of space.
ReplyDeletewayno: Sorry, but you really are a grouch. Lighten up a bit. Anyone who claims to know so much is immediately downgraded by 95% in my book.
ReplyDeleteBarden may have been a "terrible" pick -- but as we have not seen him play more than a handful of downs, calling him a "terrible player" shows a lack of patience. Player development demands some patience.
Is he as terrible as say, WR McCaffery, who never got a real chance as a Giant, but prospered in Denver?
what young speedster is wayno talking about? The best receiver the Giants have had in the last 10 yrs was Plax, a free agent. Free agency is an easy way to improve your WR corps. The Giants seem intent on keeping guys like Hagan and Moss on the roster, and challenging them with rookies like Brown (Rutgers) and the kid from U Mass. I think these veterans would be pushed out the door if they were competing with other vets instead of rookies
ReplyDeleteWayno is the kinda guy that wanted to pull the plug on Eli in his abysmal rookie year and keep Warner in
ReplyDeleteDon't fight negativity with negativity.
ReplyDeleteWhat you resist, persists...