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Let's see. Ben Roethlisberger heads into a meeting with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell today, where he might just get himself suspended over all the sexual misconduct allegations that surround him.
Meanwhile, Eli Manning continues his sinister plot to carve out a reputation as the NFL's most personally boring quarterback by being a faithful participant in the team's offseason workouts, breaking down film, and filming Maxim spots where he says, "Darn it!"
Anybody regretting Ernie Accorsi's decision to get Manning in 2004 now?
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never did, wont start now
ReplyDeleteNo. but Ben's got two rings vs Mannings one. Granted Ben seems much more immature than Manning. Which really surprised me. I thought differently of him. But maybe I should have realized he was trouble when he crashed his motorcycle without a helmet. Everyone picks on Manning, but Ben has definitely had his share of problems since coming into the league.
ReplyDeleteBeen moving the past week, no internet access. Have to go back through the past few blog posts. Anything good or should I pass?
ReplyDeleteI agree Scott, never regretted it. Eli rocks!
Both teams made the right choice. Eli has turned into the QB the Gians hoped he'd be. Big Ben is a bit of an idiot, but still a fine QB. His problems will blow over unless he keeps getting into these situations.
ReplyDeleteI don't think this is much of an issue actually. Maybe there is still a small hardcore "anti-Eli" contingent among the Giants fans, but I think the vast majority of fans like Manning at the helm.
ReplyDeleteThe pass to Burress in the end zone made him a Giant for life.
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ReplyDeleteMy late Dad said this about Peyton in the mid 90's & Eli in the early part of this century; "Archie was so darn good on such lousy teams, his kids will be winners on WHATEVER team they end up on"
And just think about this during the great Qb shuffle of October 1974.... the Giants almost traded for Archie !...but his shoulder was ailing and he had a question mark hovering about recovery time...so, instead the Giants got Craig Morton.... Jim Del Gazio come home, all is forgiven.
Ernie - some of us will never forget those Giants teams of the 1970's.... no matter how hard we try!!!!!!
The Giants got the best out of the 3 top QB's in that draft. Sure Rivers puts up big numbers BUT he does not have a ring and apparently uses his finger to flip off fans in the stands, something you will never see Eli do. Yes Ben has 2 rings to Eli's 1 I'll give him that but Jerry Reese will never get a call in the middle of the night with a report that his QB is in trouble. And for all those who doubt Eli, he's going to get much better season after season especially with this young reciever corp. Until then Eli will ride underneath the radar and thats fine with me. Giants couldnt of asked for a better QB.
ReplyDeleteEven though he's lacking in common sense Ben is still the better QB ... Eli will go down in history as a Good but not great QB who piloted alot of very well managed and coached teams ... but as a pure QB he is not in Ben's class ... olmackie, Jints fan since '64 ...
ReplyDeleteI think I'm more to agree with the previous Anonymous poster. Just from a passing perspective, I'd probably give the edge to both Roethlisberger and Rivers over Manning. Out of the two, Ben has the type of strong arm that would have suited playing in the Meadowlands. And unfortunately, this is still a 'grey area' for Eli.
ReplyDeleteNonetheless with Eli, you have a true student of the game who only makes the players around him better (and not the other way around). That's a very important asset to note and the primary reason as to why the Giants had any success at all in 2009.
Respectfully disagree. I don't know what you're basing your opinion on, but the first "ring" Ben "won" was despite his play, not because of it. I'm not a cheerleader by any means and Lord knows I've hurled some invectives around the house on some Sundays at 200 decibels and aimed at Eli. But in no way do I consider his game inferior to Roethlisberger's. And to suggest that Eli's success is because he has a good coach and a team that's well managed....is there someone that doesn't apply to?
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ReplyDeleteI agree Eli will never be a great quarterback, but not in Ben's class seems a bit strong. I think you're either rating Ben too highly or Eli too low.
Ben is a clear step below Peyton, Brees and Brady. He's alongside guys like Rivers, McNabb, Romo.
You either think Ben should be in that first class with Peyton (which I don't think you do) or you think Eli is a step below Rivers, McNabb and Romo, which then I disagree with you.
I think Eli is definitely in the second cut of QBs in this league. I don't think there's a step down between Ben and Eli, I think it's close with Ben and Rivers having slight advantages. But Eli does have one more ring than Phil and he is much more responsible and reliable off the field than Ben. So, you could argue that pulls him even with them.
nyc would've eaten ben alive
ReplyDeleteAgree with Dan except the opening line "Eli will never be a great quarterback". We really don't know yet--although the odds are in your favor because the team he plays on seeks a certain run/pass balance that tends to prohibit gaudy numbers.
ReplyDeleteJust because he does not put up gaudy numbers that does not mean he is not going to be a great QB. When the running game diminished last year, Eli turned it on with a 62% completion and 27 tds, over 4000 yds passing. I think that with the maturation of Eli and the WR corps, the Giants are in a position to pass more. As I called for last year, play action! More playaction! Use the running game to start burning these defenses.
ReplyDeleteFair enough, but when I say great QB, I mean Hall of Fame. I mean Peyton or Brady or Brees or Warner or Favre in his prime.
ReplyDeleteI don't think he could ever get to that stage. Although, if he does win another Super Bowl there has only been one QB to win multiple Super Bowls that isn't in the Hall - Jim Plunkett - so who knows.
And there is a QB in the hall with no Super Bowl wins, Jim Kelly. Does Eli have a Hall of Fame career as of today? No. Is the guy only 29, yes. He still looks like he is 22. Him and Peyton do not seem to age. Eli has some really good years ahead of him and I anticipate a fantastic year with a more experienced WR corps.
ReplyDelete@ scott....after these recent sexual developements I think its more like; "Ben would have eaten NYC alive"
ReplyDeleteOne thing is for certain - Ben, Eli & Phillip do not eqaul a Ryan Leaf....or Ahkihili Smith or David Klingler...or Andre Ware...or Cade Mcnown....or Heath Shuler...all rather recent (last 20 years) of #1 qb draft busts. I think the Chargers, Giants & Steelers lucked out pretty good.
Boy, Ben sure is doing everything in his power to sabotage his career. Driving motorcycles without a helmet, not one but two, accusations of sexual assault. Next thing you know he's going to start carrying a loaded unlicensed handgun around.
ReplyDeleteWhat I always will regret is Accorsi gave away too much under the circumstances. San Diego was terrified that they might pick another Ryan Leaf. It was also well known that Eli didn't want to go to San Diego (thanks to San Diego! Remember, they leaked that, not the Mannings). So, when you add it all up together, San Diego was convinced they were holding a bad hand. They were wrong, of course, but what matters is what THEY thought at the time. Remember this is a franchise that has had difficulty selling out their stadium! They did not announce Eli's reluctance to go to San Diego to just turn around and force him down their fans throats. That was their cover for not drafting a QB at number one and blowing it again. Under the circumstances, Accorsi should have been able to get Eli for less. Ernie, of the blog fame, wrote a piece about how similar poker is to the machinations of the NFL. Accorsi should have known San Diego was bluffing. They wanted to get rid of Eli. Accorsi should have taken them to the woodshed. We should have given them Rivers and the next year's second rounder and called it a day. If they balked, Accorsi should have looked them in the eye and said enjoying trying to sellout your stadium next season with a QB that you told all your fans didn't want to be there. Oh, and enjoy the signing process, too, because you burned your bridges with the Manning family. As with poker, you have to know when your opponent is holding a hand he hates. That's when you go for the throat. That's my lone regret.
ReplyDeleteAs for Ben and his "habits", NYC girls would have put him in the ER year one. I know women who won't carry pepper spray because it "don't hurt enough". Ben would get beat down, here. Our co-eds (sad that he still likes college girls at his age) didn't just fall off the tractor.
I'll take Eli every time. certainly over Rivers (how is this even an issue? Rivers has had one of the best supporting casts in the league, he had freakin Tomlinson in his PRIME ffs and still couldn't win). Eli might never put up the numbers of other guys, but its not about that. Dan Marino always put up huge numbers. never won a superbowl. Eli brings his game when it counts. Go back to our Super Bowl run. Almost all of it is Eli; 6 TDs and only 1 interception (and even that was Steve Smith's fault). The comeback against Tampa was Eli. that sublime drive in the last seconds of the 2nd quarter at Dallas was Eli. Holding shit together in awful conditions in Green Bay was Eli. and that 4th Quarter performance in the big game itself was Eli; the plaudits go - quite rightly - to Tyree for the catch, but it was Eli's escapability, cool head and accuracy on that play which set it up. and before and after that, it was all centred around him.
ReplyDeletehe may not put up big numbers. but, more often than not, t he makes the right play at the right time when it really counts.
Spacey please reserve your comments for some topic that you know something about...Rivers and LT were two ships passing in different directions, LT had 2 great years when Rivers was beginning his first season as the 1st string QB. shortly after Rivers got settled in, LT began his downward spiral. Manning's play in the Super Bowl to Tyree was total desperation, not accuracy.
ReplyDeleteRivers and Ben R are much more accurate passers completion percentage for last three seasons Rivers(60, 65, 65), Eli (56, 60, 62); Ben (65, 60, 66).
completion percentage is harped on by Kevin Gilbride and TC and anonymous above but how important is it? To change your percentage from 60% to 65% you need to complete just less than 2 more passes per game, assuming about 500 passes in a season. For teams that dump the ball off to RBs, that's nothing.
ReplyDeleteTo dweez115, the drafting of Eli was by design. It wasn't the Chargers who showed their hand, it was the Giants. The Chargers knew very well just how much the Giants desired Manning and was going to take them to the house (which they did). For an organization not known for making the smartest of moves, this was definitely one of them. The Giants helped build that team for the future.
ReplyDeleteI know many consider Philips a better quaterback and in some ways he is better than Manning. But I will say this, he's going nowhere with Turner at the helm. He's taken a talented a team and made them a mess. I mean the last couple of seasons seem like a mess with last year being the only good year they've had. For awhile there they were a perennial 8-8 team. Turner just seems like he's always way over his head.
ReplyDeleteIt's a lot easier to root for a guy like Eli than it is to root for a guy like Rapistberger.
ReplyDeleteLook at what's going on now, Eli's raising money for disabled kids while Ben's fending off assault charges.
"It wasn't the Chargers who showed their hand, it was the Giants."
ReplyDeleteI have to disagree with you there, anon. How did leaking the info that Eli did not want to go to San Diego help the Chargers? It weakened their hand. They had a guy that didn't want to sign. Look at the Elway trade. Denver waited until after the draft to make their move. As I said before, unfortunately, Accorsi played the love sick puppy and got torched. But a cold blooded GM would have forced Sand Diego's hand. San Diego made it clear they didn't want Manning and it was obvious the feeling was mutual. Accorsi didn't exploit that. Water under the bridge now, but Eli could have been gotten cheaper.
I don't know we keep revisiting this - absolutely Ernie made a big mistake. There is no doubt in my mind. He could have traded down and still got Rothlesberger and more picks, rather than give up a bunch to get Eli. Eli is not as good as Rothlesberger, plain and simple. It might be the Giants with 2 Super Bowls rather than Pittsburgh, if they had drafted Rothlesberger. As I have said many times since then, I will go to my grave forever regretting the deal that Accorsi did. I realize we won a SB with Eli, and for that I am forever grateful. But it could have been more than 1 with Rothlesberger. I could give a crap about his off the field issues.
ReplyDeleteThank you Ernie, for not drafting a total scum bag like Ben. Anyone who has a daughter or a sister understands this guy is a creep.
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Sean is wrong.
ReplyDeleteWow, Sean is a bonafide idiot. Wish I never read that classless post. Thank you Ernie, for Eli.
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