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Happy First-Round-Of-The-Draft day, everybody. And may all your picks be keepers.
I was thinking about doing an April Fool's Day-type post that had the league postponing the draft until next week, just to see if I could hear that little "pop" as Wayno's head explodes, but decided against it. Instead, here's a few facts to take into the evening.
The Giants head into the draft at No. 15 for the first time in 40 years. The last time they chose at 15, in 1970, they picked Oklahoma linebacker Jim Files. He then went on to have a rather undistinguished four-year career. Could be good cause to trade up or down right there.
In addition to their first-round choice, the Giants will choose 14th in the second round (No. 46 overall), 12th in the third (No. 76), 17th in the fourth round (No. 115), 16th in the fifth (No. 147), 15th in the sixth (No. 184) and 14th in the seventh (No. 221).
The Giants received no compensatory picks for the first time in several years. Thus, they have just seven picks, one in each round. Whether Jerry Reese is willing to give up any of them to move up is unclear. In his three previous drafts, Reese has never engineered a first-round trade. But he has traded up in later rounds.
The Giants haven't taken a first-round running back since Ron Dayne in 2000, and haven't drafted a first-round linebacker since Carl Banks in 1984. The last time they took a first-round defensive end came in Ernie Accorsi's final draft in 2006, when he took Mathias Kiwanuka. Those three positions are the favorites for the No. 1 pick this year (C.J. Spiller, Rolando McClain, and Jason Pierre-Paul).
Just a little more than eight hours to go before Roger Goodell steps to the podium and says, "Welcome to the 75th annual NFL draft. The St. Louis Rams are on the clock."
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Not liking this format. Giants probably will pick around 9 or 10 pm. Ernie, waiting for you to post that the Giants have traded into the second pick to get Suh, but I am sure that won't happen.
ReplyDeleteHere's hoping for McClain, Spiller, or anyone without the intials JPP.
Problem with that trade is it costs us a lot to go from 15 to 2. Not sure it's worth it for a DT. We can get a very good one at 15.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking he holds his ground and takes a DT or O-line at 15 with McClain already gone.
Does anyone else get the feeling that Reese is hoping that McClain WILL be gone so he's not under pressure to take him because he really doesn't value him at 15?
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No lou I don't get that feeling because despite the pressure u and others think u are putting on Reese he will draft whomever he wants because he is the architect of one of the greatest and most surprising SB's of all time and u are still bagging groceries.
ReplyDeleteCJ! CJ! CJ!
Wayno, I'm not talking about pressure from me you moron. I'm talking about pressure from within his organization, particularly Mara who looked pretty pissed last I saw him.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm not bagging groceries.
I'm bagging your mom.
Yeah, Ernie, that "pop" you were talking about will turn into a serious BOOM when Spiller gets drafted before pick 15 and not by the Giants. Wayno, are you going to be ok if Giants don't get him?
ReplyDeleteAnd Lou, I really don't think it would cost as much as you think. Osi, our 1st, our 4th. Make a contigent 4th or 5th for next year, based on Osi's performance. Take LB in 2nd, DE in 3rd. Our D-line would then read Tuck, Suh, Cofield, Kiwi. That's just scary. But, again, I am living my pipe dream for the next 7 hours.
Charlie Echo, if Reese could pull that off and that's all it would cost us, they should name the new stadium after him.
ReplyDeleteSo, from your lips to God's ears.
Charlie Echo, I kinda like that. The plan seems feasbile. Hope Reese reads this blog.
ReplyDeleteDoes Cofield and Kiwi really scare you on the right side?
ReplyDeleteI'm still under the belief that if one of Reese's targeted players McClain, Spiller, Dan Williams, JPP (although I'm with CE -- I don't want him) is off the board, I think the Giants move back.
ReplyDeleteAnd I heard rumors that the G-men like Spikes in the second round. Also, the RB from Fresno, Ryan Matthews, is getting a lot of publicity.
Would Wayno be OK with him if the Giants move back and get him as a consolation prize to Spiller?
just scored a ticket to the draft. now the real question is, can i wear a giants jersey to del friscos?
ReplyDeleteNo I would not be ok if the Giants drafted him or some other crap running back. The Giants do not need a running back. They need defense. However, if there is a franchise player who falls out of the top nine when it is clear to everybody with eyes that he should be a top three pick (actually #1, I will bet any amt he has more of an impact than Bradford) then they should make EVERY effort to get him.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, yes. Cofield should be better this year and Kiwi is going into a contract year, he will bring a bit more intensity. If you don't like my fantasy line-up, try Tuck, Cofield, Suh, Kiwi. Still a pretty nasty looking line, especially when you figure Canty could play DE on 1st and 2nd downs. And hopefully Alford will be back at full strength. Again, my pipe dream.
ReplyDeleteSpikes is slow. AP slow. I think Lee from Penn St the better LB. Matthews has been compared to Derrick Ward, so he might not be a bad pick up in the right spot.
Scott just pointed out the real problem with overated steakhouse Del Frisco's. Too stodgy and not a real steakhouse atmosphere. If they give u a problem or even look at u funny Scott do urself and them a favor and go to Bobby Van's or any # of steakhouses that are better than Del Frisco's.
ReplyDeleteWayno2424, that's actually a great point.
ReplyDeletegood point wayno, but im not paying.
ReplyDeleteThe emphasis in this year's draft should be team speed. Why on earth would the Giants be interested in a linebacker who posted a 40 time run by most O-Lineman? And why would the Giants draft a player compared to Ward in the 2nd round?
ReplyDeleteAre we all that board?
WOO, going to the draft. I was on TV last year after the Giants drafted Nicks. Maybe I can make it on 2 years in a row.
ReplyDeleteA Ward type in the 2nd, is the reason why I stated I would not mind having him in the right spot.
ReplyDelete"Does Cofield and Kiwi really scare you on the right side?"
ReplyDeleteYes. Solid. Can be spectacular at times.
If Jimmy Claussen falls to #15?
Do the Giants grab and then offer in trade?
Ernie, any thoughts?
Russ, are you serious? Drafting Clausen just to try and trade him. Other teams would laugh at us and say "HAHAHAHAHAHA, now you are stuck with a 1st round QB when you have Eli!"
ReplyDeleteLike the thinking outside the box, but this is just not a good idea.
Prediction from the great gogolack
ReplyDelete..its been awhile since I posted here.
Eagles will trade up to take Eric Berry, Broncos will draft McClain and Seahawks will take Spiller, leaving us with DE either Morgan or Pierre-Paul or DL maybe Williams.
outside chance of earl thomas
I think there is a better chance the eagles trade up for Thomas than there is for Berry.
ReplyDeleteits very rare that a safety gets taken in the first 10 picks. nfl teams simply dont like to pay safeties the kind of money that is slotted for a top 10 pick
ReplyDeleteBeing 'solid' isn't necessarily scary, and that duo is nowhere near spectacular. And what would be the point in drafting a player like Clausen at #15? He seems to be everywhere on the draft boards. Simply not worth the hassle.
ReplyDeleteCE718, a Ward type of player should, at best, be drafted in the 7th round. We shouldn't even be concerned with such a player on this message board.
"The Giants head into the draft at No. 15 for the first time in 40 years. The last time they chose at 15, in 1970, they picked Oklahoma linebacker Jim Files. He then went on to have a rather undistinguished four-year career. Could be good cause to trade up or down right there."
ReplyDeleteI'll disagree a little.
Jim "Tombstone" Files hit very hard.
at 6'4 230, he was a proto type Middle LB'er in the Dick Butkus/Mike Curtis mold.
1970 All NFC rookie team. He was the glue that held together the defense in that almost 9-5 playoff year. At the time was thought to be the best NYG MLB since the departed Sam Huff in 1964.
He was.
Had pretty good years in 1971 & 1972....often playing OLB'er in certain defensive alignments.
1973 was a year the team liked to forget (the NY/NJ/CONN Giants they were called) and Files quit after that 2-11-1 debacle to become a minister in Oklahoma at the calling of the Lord.
I think McClain, Spiller, Morgan, JPP, will all be gone before the Giants pick. This might mean one of the Top 4 OT slips to #15. This would be a solid pick as long as they grab Lee in the 2nd round. They may have to move up in the 2nd, but I would be happy with that result.
ReplyDeleteCE718 - Maybe I should have prefaced it with..."the Giants are sitting at 15 and they get an offer from someone whom wants to take him before he drops into another qb needy teams hands"....I'll add that Mcclain, Spiller & JPP are all gone at 15 in that scenario.
ReplyDeleteI think there will be too much value at other positions to reach for an injury prone player such as Lee. He's fits the bill as a 3rd round prospect.
ReplyDeleteAgain, I stress the Ward type back being drafted at the RIGHT SPOT. And are we forgetting that Ward was good? 1000 yard rusher and basically won us that game against Carolina at the end of the '08 season! Yeah, didn't do much for the Bucs, well, because they are not very good right now. He was out of his element and not behind a good o-line, as he was in NY.
ReplyDeleteRuss, if that's the scenario then why not just trade down to the team looking to acquire Clausen.
ReplyDeleteCE718, I guess that's the confusion. I don't think that he was that good. In fact, the way the O-Line was playing that year, I think they could have plugged just about any RB on the roster.
Ah, gotcha Russ. I knew that sounded a little weird coming from you. In that case, yes, trade out of the pick with the team that wants Clausen. I would not draft him and then work a deal out though, that could spell disaster. Heck, I would do it even if JPP was sitting there with McClain and Spiller gone. Could get a lot of value. Say a team that picked in the top 10 wants Clausen, can probably take their 2nd and 3rd for that.
ReplyDeleteWell, agree to disagree, cause I think Ward is a good RB. He has a nice blend of power and speed, along with reliable hands. Remember, this guy out ran DBs before, and I remember him running over a few LBs. He was a gift as a waiver claim.
ReplyDelete"Could get a lot of value. Say a team that picked in the top 10 wants Clausen, can probably take their 2nd and 3rd for that."
ReplyDeleteBingo! That is where I was coming from. Thanks for taking the idea and making it understandable.
No problem.
ReplyDeleteERN MAKING SOME $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!! Time to up ur posts!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteYO Ern, Are we live blogging this draft tonight?
ReplyDeleteMcClain, Spiller, Morgan - that's the first round board.
ReplyDeleteLet's get it on!
Chris B.